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A week with Camino
- Posted on: January 08, 2006
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A week or so ago, can't remember exactly when, I followed a link from Jon's site to the latest Beta of Camino. I've used Camino a few times over the months, mostly when it was in early alpha stage, but ended up ditching it for Firefox.
I've been using it pretty much exclusively for a week or so now and it is very good.
I don't what makes a browser on a Mac a good one, or rather one that feels like it belongs. Firefox never did feel like a Mac application - it always felt like a badly implented port from PC, which is a bit of a shame. Camino however feels like a Mac app through and through.

Quick?
Yes, it's very fast. From opening to rendering pages, Camino seems to have the edge over every other Mac browser. It just feels lightweight compared to Safari and FF.
Features?
Absolutely packed with them - just have a look. From Annoyance blocking and tabbed browsers to Spotlight integration.
Stable?
For a beta, yes, it's really stable. In fact it seems to be more stable than FF.
Is there room for yet another browser?
That is the question. It's not so bad with Camino being built on Gecko Mozilla 1.8 rendering engine so at least there aren't to many problems there.
Browser choice is a funny thing. Sometimes dictated by fashion, sometimes by habit or ignorance. I tend to fall somewhere between the first two. I guess I'll habitually use Safari, but I'll dip into other browsers occasionally (incidentally, I'm talking about general browsing here, not development or testing).
What I'd like to see
More of the same. Please Camino, stay trim. Don't go bloating with features and end up like another Omniweb. Stay looking like a Mac application although you could do with losing the candy coloured buttons, I'm not really a fan.
Have a go
Have a go of Camino - it's really quite good! There's a great support page, with loads of helpful faq's to get you started.
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Camino does indeed rock because of the way it is so lightweight. I sometimes wish that it had more extra features. However, if they were added it would only slow down a cool browser.
Eddie Sowden
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 12:30 pm
I downloaded Camino a few months ago after reading about it at Roger Johansson’s blog, and it really is a great browser!
You’ve summed up my first impressions of it perfectly with the words lightweight and fast…
I’d like to see a ‘one-click-to-subscribe’ button for RSS feeds (maybe they’ve added one since my download?) but other than that I really like it.
I’ve never got on with FF for Mac, which to me is unstable and slow. And I can’t stand the unwanted page flipping when I accidentally scroll my trackpad left/right when moving up/down the page - arghh!!! So, I’m all for Camino!
Steve Williams
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 12:50 pm
I just switched over to Camino this week, myself. I quite like it. It is, as you say, very spry. However, I wish it had some development tools included or available as a plug-in. I miss Safari’s Activity window. I also miss Firefox’s javascriptconsole. Both of which I use quite a bit when I’m trying to figure out what I did wrong.
Other than that, it’s fantastic for normal browsing.
Chris
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 1:00 pm
The only thing I’m really missing at the moment is the Developers Toolbar for Firefox, which is damn handy.
It’s a credit to Camino that that is the only thing I’m missing though.
Mark Boulton
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 1:03 pm
I’m wondering what’s wrong with Omniweb? I’d hardly call it bloated really. To me it does feel like a proper Mac application and some of it’s features are wonderful, like it’s tabs. Speed, of course, is terrible, but that will be fixed shortly with the 5.5 release which will et the new Safari engine.
macsterdam
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 1:07 pm
I lost the candy-coated buttons and added something more safari-esque by using a freeware utility. My problem with the earlier releases was the lack of a little button that let me add a site’s RSS feed to NetNewsWire. I don’t want to have to go hunting all over a web page looking for their RSS buttons (see: http://worldofkane.blogspot.com/ for example).
Alex Hutton
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 1:18 pm
I went over from FF to Camino just the other day, when FF crashed (and I didn’t bother restarting my mac); and it’s really great!
It’s more stable than Firefox and it’s one heck of a lot lighter on CPU-hogging Safari…
J?rgen Arnor G?rds? Lom
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 1:26 pm
I love Camino, and have gradually increased it’s usage as it approaches 1.0 final. At the moment its currently in a head on fight with Safari for default browser status!
If it only had the following two features, I would die a happy man:
- RSS feed detection (just a button in the address bar like Safari would be fine - there’s no need for an integrated reader as that’s covered excellently by NewsFire!)
- Someone to write/port the Developer Toolbar.
This seems to be the common concensus, and I would love to see progress in these areas as the app moves towards 1.1.
(BTW, I’m loving the new comment form Mark, very nice, very nice indeed!)
Paul
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 2:20 pm
That’s very true, Paul… Camino need RSS support! I hate the way Firefox does it though… Noone’s going to use “live bookmarks”. If people have installed NetNewsWire or NewsFire, it probably means they want to use that instead of some flimsy browser-feature…
Safari has understood that… Firefox and Camino needs to do so as well..!
J?rgen Arnor G?rds? Lom
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 2:58 pm
RSS feed detection is on the way, as is some sort of spell checking mechanism, although porting the Web Developer toolbar is a little more distant. At least all the Firefox bookmarklets work!
Jon Hicks
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 4:53 pm
I’m currently using Safari as my main browser but I really want to use Camino more but I love the Stand extension for safari which adds ominweb like tabs to the left hand side of the page.
I would agree Firefox doesn’t feel like a proper OS X app yet, but hopefully it will improve.
Camino is very fast, which is really nice but it would be cool if there were a few add ons for it such as the omniweb style tags, I’m assuming there aren’t any like that around?
I would like to give omniweb a real thrashing sometime soon as see if it is worth the money, but I’m not too keen on paying for a browser when there are free alternatives around that may well be better?
Dan
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 5:12 pm
Since switching to OS X, Camino is my browser of choice. I just don’t like Safari and not for want of trying . Camino is quick, clean and just feels good. I am huge fan.
Wishlist, Web developer toolbar, inbuilt RSS, Greasemonkey and spellcheck (drawing straight from OS X’s inbuilt spellcheck would be sweet)…
yup I am making this comment in Camino so ‘scuse the smelling moosetakes.
John Oxton
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 5:50 pm
I’m missing the Extensions functionality entirely. Not just Web Dev Toolbar, but Webmail Compose as well.
Mark
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 6:30 pm
Hands up from another Camino user. Like John Oxton, I’ve really tried to like Safari, but Camino does it for me.
With its lack of stand-out features, I does make me wonder why. But maybe that is it - the reason I like it is because it is just a browser. A very fast, very reliable browser.
When I develop, Firefox gets a rare outing for its dev toolbar features, but day to day, nothing is running Camino close.
Wishlist - in case they are listening - are pretty straight forward: adding the right-click ‘Search in Google’, making type-ahead find more like Firefox.
Andy
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 7:11 pm
not sure if i agree about camino being better than firefox.
have you tried version 1.5 of firefox, it is a signficant improvement and seems to not crash out anymore.
if you are looking for an rss reader there is always Sage RSS reader
Ben Scott
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 8:02 pm
All i need is something like Session Saver for Camino. With that (and the upcoming RSS features) it’s going to be one hell of an option.
Josue Salazar
Sun 8th Jan 2006
at 10:35 pm
I like Camino, but I’d like it more if it came with an ‘undo’ function for when I accidentally close a tab. Safari (or at least, Safari with Saft) and Opera both do this and it’s fantastic - Opera even saves the history of that tab.
paul haine
Mon 9th Jan 2006
at 11:13 am
I don’t use Camino for one reason—no spell check.
John Zeratsky
Mon 9th Jan 2006
at 6:04 pm
I hadn’t noticed that yet. Suddenly Camino isn’t looking so hot. The rendering might be quick but the overall utility of the browser at this stage is somewhat lacking and leaves much to be desired (evidenced by the above comments) for those who really use their browser.
Chris
Mon 9th Jan 2006
at 6:24 pm
Camino does seem to have a spellcheck, though weirdly it only seems to be in the address bar…
paul haine
Mon 9th Jan 2006
at 10:49 pm
...and the searchfield…
J?rgen Arnor G?rds? Lom
Tue 10th Jan 2006
at 12:17 pm
I’ve got another one for usability…
Every browser I’ve ever used refreshes on F5 and jumps to the location bar on F6. Camino...nada. That’s a broken piece of software to me.
Mark
Wed 11th Jan 2006
at 2:06 am
Cmnd+R is the Mac standard, Mark… Safari doesn’t refresh on F5; nor does Firefox/Mac, as far as I can remember… (The damn thing won’t start up, so I really can’t say anything for certain...)
J?rgen Arnor G?rds? Lom
Wed 11th Jan 2006
at 6:12 am
Firefox on the Mac does support the F keys. I admit being unfamiliar with Safari.
Here’s another one to try:
Escape should replicate the functionality of the Stop button. I open a new window, it begins to load Google, set as my homepage. I hold the Esc key, see the URL switch to about:blank, highlight the location bar and begin typing the URL I *want* to go to, and in that time Google has loaded, jumped my cursor into *its* search bar and the latter 2/3s of the URL I began typing goes there.
Escape should be Stop should be Stop loading.
Mark
Thu 12th Jan 2006
at 12:55 am
I’ve got to admit that I don’t really use key commands too much on a browser - other than refresh, quit and open and close tabs - they all seem to work fine with Camino.
Mark Boulton
Thu 12th Jan 2006
at 9:55 am
I was using Camino at work exclusively for 3 weeks or so to try it out. It’s a good browser, feels better and faster than Firefox, but still lacks a few things that Safari has.
I had switched from FF to Safari when FF crashed one too many times, and now after testing Camino, I’ve returned back to Safari. It’s just better integrated with the OS. I prefer having PDF files loaded in the browser instead of downloaded to the desktop (Safari then gives you the option to open the file in Preview), and I, for one, use Safari for RSS feeds because it’s so much more convenient to browse the net and check your feeds using the same application. And I absolutely love Inquisitor.
Rose
Fri 13th Jan 2006
at 12:56 am
If you are missing extensions check out CamiTools and the scripts on Karlheinz Dobler’s site http://www.nadamac.de. Not WebDev yet though.
Andy Miller
Tue 17th Jan 2006
at 8:35 pm
I’m currently testing Shiira (<a href:"http://hmdt-web.net/shiira/en"; target="_blank";>http://hmdt-web.net/shiira/en</a>) and I find this browser definitely interesting.
With a hint of modern feng-shui and a really cute dock icon (Safari’s icon is ugly indeed), Shiira is faster than Safari, more developed than Camino, and absolutely “Mac-looking”. It sports also a built-in RSS reader, even though I still prefer Safari’s one.
Before I found out about Shiira, Camino was my “best Safari alternative”, now I go for Shiira.
Firefox never convinced me in terms of usability, stability and design but it still remains an usefull tool when you have to access one of those bad-coded website that works with IE only.
Another browser that deserves at least to be mentioned is Flock. It’s still in “heavy development” but at least it the first attempt of re-thinking the overall concept of “web browser”.
Alessandro Barbini
Wed 25th Jan 2006
at 4:36 pm
I havn’t personally tested Shiira - but it certainly shows up alot in my stats… To me it does look a bit bloated…
And to be honest, it’s the stripped-down-ness that really attracts me with Camino…
However - I’ve noticed that Camino can’t handle either my online banking service (both Firefox and Safari does, though) nor my Nucleus bookmarklet… ARRGH! Perhaps I should try out Shiira afterall?
J?rgen Arnor G?rds? Lom
Wed 25th Jan 2006
at 4:46 pm
I use FF for testing - it’s loaded up with extensions - and Camino for general browsing - love that speed. This works great as I have a uncluttered browser for everyday stuff and a fully-functional testing environment.
Duncan Heal
Fri 27th Jan 2006
at 1:36 am