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	<title>Comments on: Audience Matrix: Our thoughts on the Drupal 7 audience</title>
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		<title>By: Mexabet</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/audience-matrix-our-thoughts-on-the-drupal-7-audience#comment-3560</link>
		<dc:creator>Mexabet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mark, you and Leisa are doing a great job here. I&#8217;m excited and can&#8217;t wait to install this new version.
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		<title>By: arlen</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/audience-matrix-our-thoughts-on-the-drupal-7-audience#comment-3561</link>
		<dc:creator>arlen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Comments on skill level make good points.
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@mark, after I posted  the original comment the slidey-scale idea continued to bother me a little, but I think where I&#8217;m at with that thought at the moment is yes, it&#8217;s context-dependent, but the interface *is*, after all, the context. Whichever portion of the interface you&#8217;re looking at needs to help along those who need it and get out of the way of those who don&#8217;t. Still, perhaps this is too early in the process for that sort of thinking to enter in.
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Type of site might enter in with domain-specific language (AKA jargon) but I&#8217;m not sure if that plays in this thinking. If I&#8217;m an experienced Drupal guy but completely unaware of blogging conventions, for example, an interface that treated me like a rank beginner at first (my blog skill level) would probably be better for me. The only thing advanced Drupal skill would really affect in this particular scenario is how long I stayed a rank beginner, right?
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@jadwigo, good point about the temporariness. But I&#8217;m not sure I buy into your skills classification method. The way people handle and solve problems is different, yes, but the problems they have are related to skill level, not learning style. Subtle help, in terms of relative position, grouping, prominence, etc., applies to all three, overt help should be available  for the second, with the number of options exposed to all three varying by user option.
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Anyway, this is probably not the time or place to be debating brain mechanisms and learning styles; it&#8217;s too early. Sorry for polluting the stream.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments on skill level make good points.
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@mark, after I posted  the original comment the slidey-scale idea continued to bother me a little, but I think where I&#8217;m at with that thought at the moment is yes, it&#8217;s context-dependent, but the interface *is*, after all, the context. Whichever portion of the interface you&#8217;re looking at needs to help along those who need it and get out of the way of those who don&#8217;t. Still, perhaps this is too early in the process for that sort of thinking to enter in.
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Type of site might enter in with domain-specific language (AKA jargon) but I&#8217;m not sure if that plays in this thinking. If I&#8217;m an experienced Drupal guy but completely unaware of blogging conventions, for example, an interface that treated me like a rank beginner at first (my blog skill level) would probably be better for me. The only thing advanced Drupal skill would really affect in this particular scenario is how long I stayed a rank beginner, right?
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<p>@jadwigo, good point about the temporariness. But I&#8217;m not sure I buy into your skills classification method. The way people handle and solve problems is different, yes, but the problems they have are related to skill level, not learning style. Subtle help, in terms of relative position, grouping, prominence, etc., applies to all three, overt help should be available  for the second, with the number of options exposed to all three varying by user option.
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Anyway, this is probably not the time or place to be debating brain mechanisms and learning styles; it&#8217;s too early. Sorry for polluting the stream.</p>
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		<title>By: jimg</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/audience-matrix-our-thoughts-on-the-drupal-7-audience#comment-3562</link>
		<dc:creator>jimg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;have you considered a volvelle (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvelle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvelle&lt;/a&gt;) aka information disc metaphor? A more modern example: (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.popupmailers.co.uk/popup_wheelcharts.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.popupmailers.co.uk/popup_wheelcharts.html&lt;/a&gt; ) I can remember this sort of approach used to select 2 / 3 variables and then the recommended approach is highlighted in a cutout window.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have you considered a volvelle (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvelle" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvelle</a>) aka information disc metaphor? A more modern example: (<a href="http://www.popupmailers.co.uk/popup_wheelcharts.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.popupmailers.co.uk/popup_wheelcharts.html</a> ) I can remember this sort of approach used to select 2 / 3 variables and then the recommended approach is highlighted in a cutout window.</p>
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		<title>By: Jadwigo</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/audience-matrix-our-thoughts-on-the-drupal-7-audience#comment-3563</link>
		<dc:creator>Jadwigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@arlen: I would classify users into the following three skill related types:
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* I just want it to work, don&#8217;t make me think, fix it for me this instant.
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* Show me how it works please. Next time I hope I remember, but probably not.
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* I&#8217;ll find it out myself, I know how to google and read a manual or a programming language.
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(But then again, &lt;strong&gt;all&lt;/strong&gt; generalizations are &lt;strong&gt;wrong&lt;/strong&gt;)
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Classification of users by skill level is IMO not constructive when designing UX, because it&#8217;s not about the skills users have - it&#8217;s about the way people handle and solve problems.
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Skills can be learned, and should be learned if you want to use any system. A first time user is by definition unskilled in that system.
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The system you&#8217;re designing should help you become skilled enough to do what you need - so it must give the three types (or any other I forgot) the tools to learn the system. The initial skill level is less important, because hopefully that will be a level you&#8217;re on only once.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@arlen: I would classify users into the following three skill related types:<br />
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<p>* I just want it to work, don&#8217;t make me think, fix it for me this instant.<br />
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* Show me how it works please. Next time I hope I remember, but probably not.<br />
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* I&#8217;ll find it out myself, I know how to google and read a manual or a programming language.
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(But then again, <strong>all</strong> generalizations are <strong>wrong</strong>)
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<p>Classification of users by skill level is IMO not constructive when designing UX, because it&#8217;s not about the skills users have &#8211; it&#8217;s about the way people handle and solve problems.
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Skills can be learned, and should be learned if you want to use any system. A first time user is by definition unskilled in that system.
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The system you&#8217;re designing should help you become skilled enough to do what you need &#8211; so it must give the three types (or any other I forgot) the tools to learn the system. The initial skill level is less important, because hopefully that will be a level you&#8217;re on only once.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Love the idea and the insightful videos
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One question about the way the admin functions, why choose to have only a inline edit/manage admin with a framed interface rather than a full interface more like Wordpress? Or will the user have the option to use both more like the way Drupal is currently without the framing?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the idea and the insightful videos
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One question about the way the admin functions, why choose to have only a inline edit/manage admin with a framed interface rather than a full interface more like WordPress? Or will the user have the option to use both more like the way Drupal is currently without the framing?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Boulton</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/audience-matrix-our-thoughts-on-the-drupal-7-audience#comment-3564</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Boulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@arlen we thought about this one yesterday, but kept asking ourselves how that could be defined. You could be an experienced Drupal user, but be inexperienced on a particular type of site, or as part of a larger team. It&#8217;s more of a slidey scale that changes depending on context.
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Do you think?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@arlen we thought about this one yesterday, but kept asking ourselves how that could be defined. You could be an experienced Drupal user, but be inexperienced on a particular type of site, or as part of a larger team. It&#8217;s more of a slidey scale that changes depending on context.
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Do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Arlen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arlen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Need another floppy for your paddle, I think: Skill Level.
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The needs of a completely inexperienced content creator, for example, will differ from the needs of a highly experienced one, likewise for site builder, etc.
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The inexperienced ones will need more &#8220;handholding&#8221; and guidance along the process than the experienced ones, yet these &#8220;training wheels&#8221; will need to get out of the way of the more experienced ones.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Need another floppy for your paddle, I think: Skill Level.
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The needs of a completely inexperienced content creator, for example, will differ from the needs of a highly experienced one, likewise for site builder, etc.
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The inexperienced ones will need more &#8220;handholding&#8221; and guidance along the process than the experienced ones, yet these &#8220;training wheels&#8221; will need to get out of the way of the more experienced ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Creque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil Creque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Jeremy Clarkson would love this flappy paddles. Brilliant idea.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jeremy Clarkson would love this flappy paddles. Brilliant idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/audience-matrix-our-thoughts-on-the-drupal-7-audience#comment-3567</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Really useful post for me, especially the concept of site types vs. the required toolset.
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		<title>By: tdskate</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/audience-matrix-our-thoughts-on-the-drupal-7-audience#comment-3566</link>
		<dc:creator>tdskate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Genius.
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