Finally. The most interesting thing about this is that I now have eleven sources reporting on the project, which should pretty much guarantee some insight into how things are going. An article about dealing with the W3C should be an interesting read, also.

Hopefully things will get done right this time. Best of luck to you.

Very cool, and yes, layout models!

I always find it interesting how even simple CSS layouts seem complex and hard to beginners, which I think is why many resort to old, predictable tables. :)

Good luck!

Jonathon Snook. Interesting.

Whoever is setting the website up should really get on with the ExpressionEngine installation. The install.php file is wide open at present!

Just wanted to point out the same, I get the EE installation wizard, quite creepy. =) Besides that, I think it’s really great to have such a resource.

Cheers,
Arne

Yep, same here.  sends me to the ExpressionEngine installation page.  more specifically to:

http://www.csseleven.com/install.php

Just one bit of advise — don’t let the WG try and over-complicate and over-engineer what you need. That’s what causes specifications to take even longer than they need take, and never get implemented by browsers.

Come on… the site is up, but the install scriptis still wide open.

OK so my lesson for today is… don’t start installing Expression Engine then go to a client meeting half way through. You can see why I’m not technical ;) All is now working as it should.

What a stellar group.  I hope that your collective input is put to action.

Looks cool, Mark…

What exactly will you be doing, and what are we the public going to see (am I right in thinking that the current site is just the one page)?

Is it cynical of me to think that this is just another vehicle for a goup of connected friends to generate more business/book/speaking opportunities for themselves?

I guess we’ll be able to judge that on the effect it has on the W3C.

Frank, sadly, because the CSS WG operate privately, we can’t see what affect it actually has: we can only guess based upon the end products.

I think even just making the mailing list archives publicly accessible would help, though doing such a thing would most likely turn www-style into a continuation of what would likely be called public-style.

Having elaborated a bit in your last post I’m quite a fan of the notion.

Everybody and their dog has to have an opinion about the css3 group list, but focus groups within are very important. As it stands it’s far too often simply a case of highly technical spec suggestions attached to the most banal use cases. Visual designers working together within the context has to be a plus.

@ Anonymous Frank:

“Is it cynical of me to think that this is just another vehicle for a goup of connected friends to generate more business/book/speaking opportunities for themselves?”

I think that Mark summed up my thoughts perfectly.

Now; if it’s foolish to think that ‘a goup of connected friends’ can communicate better than a disconnected industry, often at odds with the W3C - then I’m a fool.

If it’s simple minded to think that ‘a goup of connected friends’ who are also some of the best visual designers, coders, writers and speakers can use their experience to help the W3C get what we need from CSS3 - then I’m a simple minded fool.

Now, have you something constructive to add or are you just an anonymous twerp?

No? I thought not.

Oh, and in case anyone thought that I intended my last comment to come across as a criticism of people who are all to eager to make disrespectful comments without the balls to leave a publically identifiable URL (blogging’s equivelant of a drive-by shooting); it was.

Hahaha.

Yeah, but we know where you live Andy! I still think it might be worth putting up a little description of the purpose of the group on the site. Frank jumped the gun a bit but it did take the discourse in the comments on a blog post about the actual site for us to get something like a clear idea as to what the purpose of CSS Eleven is.

As it stands, the site seems to indicate the top stars of web design are getting together to make a film or rob a casino. :)

This sounds very promising ! I read most of the 11’s blogs etc so know that if they can be involved and listened to, that I will have a better time in the future as a web based worker. I misplaced my car stereo yesterday and its called Frank, i hope he didnt get on my laptop again.

I still think it might be worth putting up a little description of the purpose of the group on the site. I agree with Barney it can help promote it I like the current description of 11 and I know them from they blogs that I read and sometimes comment. Congratulations!

Come on guys lighten up a bit… These 11 Designers are without a doubt pioneers in CSS and standards based web design. Their knowledge and expertise has been both invaluable and inspirational right across the industry. The film reference is, I imagine, them having a lighthearted laugh… nothing wrong with that!

And anyway, what’s wrong with a bit of self-promotion… it’s actually a big part of a Designer’s activity. Their ultimate aim and objective will have a positive impact on the future of web design and standards and we should embrace, encourage and be grateful for their continuous endeavours.

It looks like it’s a perfect team. Waiting for your standards!

I feel that one of the biggest problems we’ve got in terms of third party dealings with the W3C is the problem of representation; who represents who?

The “CSS Eleven” appears to be going about things the right way. That is, they’ve found 11 like-minded people who would like their needs and suggestions conveyed to the W3C for inclusion in the future CSS drafts. They’re willing to work together to try and help the W3C deliver something which caters (at least in some part) to their needs.

They don’t represent the industry as a whole; they represent themselves. It’s a shift away from the usual “we represent everyone” approach.

At least, that’s the boundaries that I *hope* the CSS Eleven operates within.

Sweet! Can’t wait to hear more… Congrats!

What can happen in the next few month?

How are these people are? I don’t know anybody

What will be the next technology in web design, after CSS?