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		<title>By: Five Steps to Better Typography with Mark Boulton &#124; Colin Harman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Five Steps to Better Typography with Mark Boulton &#124; Colin Harman</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Typography for graphic designers &#124; SAE Amman Blog</title>
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		<title>By: Five Simple Steps: Designing for the Web Review</title>
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		<description>[...] of Mark&#8217;s Five Simple Steps to Better Typography: Typo­graphic Hier­archy&#8212;size and Typo­graphic Hier­archy&#8212;weight. It ends off with a diagram that is used to guide a designer when using different weights and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Boulton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Boulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 17:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Kyle&lt;/strong&gt; - I guess it comes down to when one would define a design &#8216;finished&#8217;. I know a lot of typographers are very anal when it comes to detail :-)
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Most typefaces that I&#8217;ve seen developed spend a long time in the sketchbook or on the drawing board. Hours and hours are spent defining the curves which define the individual characters and then the whole typeface.
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Eventually these drawings are then transposed into a program like Adobe Illustrator, and then from there taken into a font program such as Fontographer.
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&lt;strong&gt;Matt&lt;/strong&gt; - I&#8217;d absolutely recommend this book. It is designed where each spread explains an important principle of design from the Golden Section to Fitt&#8217;s Law. Excellent reading.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kyle</strong> &#8211; I guess it comes down to when one would define a design &#8216;finished&#8217;. I know a lot of typographers are very anal when it comes to detail :-)
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Most typefaces that I&#8217;ve seen developed spend a long time in the sketchbook or on the drawing board. Hours and hours are spent defining the curves which define the individual characters and then the whole typeface.
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Eventually these drawings are then transposed into a program like Adobe Illustrator, and then from there taken into a font program such as Fontographer.
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<strong>Matt</strong> &#8211; I&#8217;d absolutely recommend this book. It is designed where each spread explains an important principle of design from the Golden Section to Fitt&#8217;s Law. Excellent reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Hampel</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/five-simple-steps-to-better-typography-part-5#comment-553</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Hampel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 13:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In my mind, classic type encompasses all the well-known faces that Adobe and other experts have recently digitized: Times New Roman, Palatino, Jenson. I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s an exact definition, though.
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I haven&#8217;t heard of &#8220;Exploring the Elements of Design&#8221;, will have to find out if the library has a copy.
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Someone recommended &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1592530079/ref=ord_cart_shr/002-0783531-8764833?_encoding=UTF8&amp;m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;v=glance&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Universal Principles of Design&lt;/a&gt; to me, and it&#8217;s on sale at Amazon. Haven&#8217;t read it yet, though.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my mind, classic type encompasses all the well-known faces that Adobe and other experts have recently digitized: Times New Roman, Palatino, Jenson. I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s an exact definition, though.
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I haven&#8217;t heard of &#8220;Exploring the Elements of Design&#8221;, will have to find out if the library has a copy.
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Someone recommended <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1592530079/ref=ord_cart_shr/002-0783531-8764833?_encoding=UTF8&amp;m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;v=glance" rel="nofollow">Universal Principles of Design</a> to me, and it&#8217;s on sale at Amazon. Haven&#8217;t read it yet, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Steffen</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/five-simple-steps-to-better-typography-part-5#comment-555</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Steffen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 13:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Matt: Thank you very much for the &#8220;Thinking with Type&#8221; recommendation.&#160; The sample pages on Amazon.com have convinced me to buy once I muster up the buying power.&#160; Also, what is &#8220;classic type&#8221;?&#160; Is it the standards and rules we have been learning here?

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Mark: I&#8217;m shocked at how long it takes!&#160; What program does one actually use to develop typefaces?&#160; Is the data stored with a vector format, bitmap format, or some other format?
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Thank you very much!&#160; I leave after on last question: Have either of you ever used (or heard of) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1401832865/qid=1117425474/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/002-9051367-3696822&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Exploring the Elements of Design&lt;/a&gt;, by Mark A. Thomas, Poppy Evans?&#160; It seems to me to be fairly good.&#160; I am wondering, however, if you guys could recommend another book.

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Again, thank you!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt: Thank you very much for the &#8220;Thinking with Type&#8221; recommendation.&nbsp; The sample pages on Amazon.com have convinced me to buy once I muster up the buying power.&nbsp; Also, what is &#8220;classic type&#8221;?&nbsp; Is it the standards and rules we have been learning here?</p>
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Mark: I&#8217;m shocked at how long it takes!&nbsp; What program does one actually use to develop typefaces?&nbsp; Is the data stored with a vector format, bitmap format, or some other format?
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Thank you very much!&nbsp; I leave after on last question: Have either of you ever used (or heard of) <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1401832865/qid=1117425474/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/002-9051367-3696822" rel="nofollow">Exploring the Elements of Design</a>, by Mark A. Thomas, Poppy Evans?&nbsp; It seems to me to be fairly good.&nbsp; I am wondering, however, if you guys could recommend another book.</p>
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Again, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Boulton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Boulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Kyle&lt;/strong&gt; - No problem, glad they could help. Matt is right with regards to typeface cost. Mrs Eaves is actually quite cheap in comparison to many other typefaces - Helvetica for instance.
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One of my lecturers at university was designing his own serif typeface which he&#8217;d been designing on and off for seven years and he&#8217;d only just completed the lower case and said he was looking forward to getting into the ligatures and kerning pairs. Ten years on, I doubt he&#8217;s finished it!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kyle</strong> &#8211; No problem, glad they could help. Matt is right with regards to typeface cost. Mrs Eaves is actually quite cheap in comparison to many other typefaces &#8211; Helvetica for instance.
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One of my lecturers at university was designing his own serif typeface which he&#8217;d been designing on and off for seven years and he&#8217;d only just completed the lower case and said he was looking forward to getting into the ligatures and kerning pairs. Ten years on, I doubt he&#8217;s finished it!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Hampel</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/five-simple-steps-to-better-typography-part-5#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Hampel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 23:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kyle: An involved typeface takes years to build. $20 is actually a very low price&#8212;many modern faces actually cost more than $100. Remember, the creators and distributors need to eat, too. For some free fonts, you can always check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://fontleech.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Font Leech&lt;/a&gt;, which showcases good freebies.
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If you&#8217;re very interested in using classic type, you could always spring the $80 (I think) for an educational copy of InDesign, which comes with a collection, or you could also search eBay for the Adobe Font Folio.
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Another good resource to have around is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1568984480/qid=1116773149/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-0783531-8764833?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;n=507846&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thinking with Type&lt;/a&gt; ($14 from Amazon).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle: An involved typeface takes years to build. $20 is actually a very low price&#8212;many modern faces actually cost more than $100. Remember, the creators and distributors need to eat, too. For some free fonts, you can always check out <a href="http://fontleech.com" rel="nofollow">Font Leech</a>, which showcases good freebies.
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If you&#8217;re very interested in using classic type, you could always spring the $80 (I think) for an educational copy of InDesign, which comes with a collection, or you could also search eBay for the Adobe Font Folio.
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Another good resource to have around is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1568984480/qid=1116773149/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-0783531-8764833?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;n=507846" rel="nofollow">Thinking with Type</a> ($14 from Amazon).</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Steffen</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/five-simple-steps-to-better-typography-part-5#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Steffen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 20:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you very much for this set of articles.&#160; I am in the Multimedia program at my local high school, where our teacher has, this year, been finishing up his Master&#8217;s Thesis.&#160; Consequently, we get very little formal education, but are expected to learn on our own.&#160; I am apt to do so, but when I set out to learn more typographic design (after being inspired by one of his in-class resources), I found very little more than I already knew.&#160; This set of articles has been very informative.&#160; I am now find less fear of text in Adobe Illustrator, and I realized more uses for Adobe Carlson Pro!

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Thank you very much for this fifth article in particular, I found it very intriguing.&#160; I&#8217;ve always wondered why there is no historical standard set for typography--and of course there is!
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And now I&#8217;m wondering about these other, more professional fonts: upon searching for the Mrs Eaves font, I only found it for sale, and for a minimum of twenty dollars!&#160; Is this the only way of getting them?&#160; I certainly love the font!
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Again, thank you very much.&#160; I&#8217;m looking forward to finding new content on your site, Mark.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for this set of articles.&nbsp; I am in the Multimedia program at my local high school, where our teacher has, this year, been finishing up his Master&#8217;s Thesis.&nbsp; Consequently, we get very little formal education, but are expected to learn on our own.&nbsp; I am apt to do so, but when I set out to learn more typographic design (after being inspired by one of his in-class resources), I found very little more than I already knew.&nbsp; This set of articles has been very informative.&nbsp; I am now find less fear of text in Adobe Illustrator, and I realized more uses for Adobe Carlson Pro!</p>
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Thank you very much for this fifth article in particular, I found it very intriguing.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve always wondered why there is no historical standard set for typography&#8211;and of course there is!
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And now I&#8217;m wondering about these other, more professional fonts: upon searching for the Mrs Eaves font, I only found it for sale, and for a minimum of twenty dollars!&nbsp; Is this the only way of getting them?&nbsp; I certainly love the font!
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Again, thank you very much.&nbsp; I&#8217;m looking forward to finding new content on your site, Mark.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Boulton</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/five-simple-steps-to-better-typography-part-5#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Boulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 16:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Joe&lt;/strong&gt; - These two diagrams are standard stuff, at least they were for me, in typographic design degree&#8217;s across the world. I remember being taught this theory in my first year in university. So Bringhurst certainly doesn&#8217;t own the theory behind these diagrams. Ok, so the &lt;em&gt;execution&lt;/em&gt; of them in this article is inspired by those in &#8216;Elements of Typographic Style&#8217; but certainly not the theory.

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But you&#8217;re right, for that reason alone they should be credited. I just wanted to clear up the fact that Bringhurst himself is simply displaying well known typographic theory and certainly doesn&#8217;t own the copyright to the theory in these diagrams.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Joe</strong> &#8211; These two diagrams are standard stuff, at least they were for me, in typographic design degree&#8217;s across the world. I remember being taught this theory in my first year in university. So Bringhurst certainly doesn&#8217;t own the theory behind these diagrams. Ok, so the <em>execution</em> of them in this article is inspired by those in &#8216;Elements of Typographic Style&#8217; but certainly not the theory.</p>
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But you&#8217;re right, for that reason alone they should be credited. I just wanted to clear up the fact that Bringhurst himself is simply displaying well known typographic theory and certainly doesn&#8217;t own the copyright to the theory in these diagrams.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Hampel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Hampel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 08:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, oops, but due to a silly error, &#8220;Elements of Typographic Style&#8221; was butchered.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, oops, but due to a silly error, &#8220;Elements of Typographic Style&#8221; was butchered.</p>
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