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		<title>By: novice_designer</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when-less-is-more#comment-1732</link>
		<dc:creator>novice_designer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 21:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.markboulton.co.uk/new/index.php/journal/top_five_design_books/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.markboulton.co.uk/new/index.php/journal/top_five_design_books/&lt;/a&gt;
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when-less-is-more#comment-1734</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 21:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It kind of undermines the theme of your article, but I thought I should point out that two of your subheadings, &#8220;Less Typefaces&#8221; and &#8220;Less Trends&#8221;, should actually read &#8220;Fewer Typefaces&#8221; and &#8220;Fewer Trends&#8221;.
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You can have less of a single thing (less aggravation, less pedantry), but fewer of quantifiable, plural items (fewer complaints, fewer pedants).
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/grammargeek
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It kind of undermines the theme of your article, but I thought I should point out that two of your subheadings, &#8220;Less Typefaces&#8221; and &#8220;Less Trends&#8221;, should actually read &#8220;Fewer Typefaces&#8221; and &#8220;Fewer Trends&#8221;.
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You can have less of a single thing (less aggravation, less pedantry), but fewer of quantifiable, plural items (fewer complaints, fewer pedants).
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/grammargeek</p>
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		<title>By: pinch</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when-less-is-more#comment-1733</link>
		<dc:creator>pinch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 19:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;nice is beautiful&#8230;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice is beautiful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Holloway</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when-less-is-more#comment-1735</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Holloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 18:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oops! UltraEdit link didn&#8217;t work. Try this.
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ultraedit.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UltraEdit&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! UltraEdit link didn&#8217;t work. Try this.
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<a href="http://www.ultraedit.com" rel="nofollow">UltraEdit</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Holloway</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when-less-is-more#comment-1736</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Holloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 18:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Mark,
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I came to this article after reading the new HTML Editor Reviews site. If you check out the various links to the editors you will see that the Mac apps subscribe to the less is more approach to design:
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://macromates.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TextMate&lt;/a&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://skti.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;skEdit&lt;/a&gt;
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whilst the PC based editor site is far too busy!
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&lt;a &#8220;http://www.ultraedit.com/index.php?name=Content&amp;pa=showpage&amp;pid=10&quot;&gt;UltraEdit&lt;/a&gt;

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The first two sites are simple and straightforward, although the design is &#8216;nice&#8217;, more than that it helps the content to shine through, which is what the web is all about.
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BTW - I use a PC ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mark,
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<p>I came to this article after reading the new HTML Editor Reviews site. If you check out the various links to the editors you will see that the Mac apps subscribe to the less is more approach to design:
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<a href="http://macromates.com/" rel="nofollow">TextMate</a><br />
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<a href="http://skti.org/" rel="nofollow">skEdit</a>
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whilst the PC based editor site is far too busy!
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&lt;a &#8220;<a href="http://www.ultraedit.com/index.php?name=Content&#038;pa=showpage&#038;pid=10" rel="nofollow">http://www.ultraedit.com/index.php?name=Content&#038;pa=showpage&#038;pid=10</a>&#8220;&gt;UltraEdit&lt;/a&gt;</p>
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The first two sites are simple and straightforward, although the design is &#8216;nice&#8217;, more than that it helps the content to shine through, which is what the web is all about.
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BTW &#8211; I use a PC &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when-less-is-more#comment-1738</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 09:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seems to be a developing theme here - &#8216;clients wrecking good design&#8217; and I can&#8217;t agree more.&#160; In the short time we&#8217;ve been at this game, we&#8217;ve come up with (in our opinion) some really nice stuff only to see it gradually degraded by the client&#8217;s requests for changes until we&#8217;ve ended up with stuff we&#8217;re basically ashamed to put our names to.&#160; Unfortunately though, the clients pay the bills, so what can you do?

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I agree wholeheartedly on the article though - we&#8217;ll just have to fight the good fight against the white space warriors - you all know those clients who get agoraphobic when you&#8217;re designing something for them.&#160; There&#8217;s too much white space - can&#8217;t we just put something in here, or there, in fact lets just make sure that the whole page, every page is absolutely crammed full......
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By the way, glad you enjoyed your trip to Aus, next time make sure you come to Brissie ; )
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to be a developing theme here &#8211; &#8216;clients wrecking good design&#8217; and I can&#8217;t agree more.&nbsp; In the short time we&#8217;ve been at this game, we&#8217;ve come up with (in our opinion) some really nice stuff only to see it gradually degraded by the client&#8217;s requests for changes until we&#8217;ve ended up with stuff we&#8217;re basically ashamed to put our names to.&nbsp; Unfortunately though, the clients pay the bills, so what can you do?</p>
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I agree wholeheartedly on the article though &#8211; we&#8217;ll just have to fight the good fight against the white space warriors &#8211; you all know those clients who get agoraphobic when you&#8217;re designing something for them.&nbsp; There&#8217;s too much white space &#8211; can&#8217;t we just put something in here, or there, in fact lets just make sure that the whole page, every page is absolutely crammed full&#8230;&#8230;
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By the way, glad you enjoyed your trip to Aus, next time make sure you come to Brissie ; )</p>
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		<title>By: P.J. Onori</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when-less-is-more#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>P.J. Onori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 08:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great article.
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I do agree - the client can many times be their own worst enemy. We need to be willing to spend time educating &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; we have come to our decisions. Understandably, many people think what we do contains a considerable amount of hokus-pokus.

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I also greatly agree with the clarity bit. Not surprisingly, simple is usually more clear. Imagine that. ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.
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I do agree &#8211; the client can many times be their own worst enemy. We need to be willing to spend time educating <em>why</em> and <em>how</em> we have come to our decisions. Understandably, many people think what we do contains a considerable amount of hokus-pokus.</p>
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I also greatly agree with the clarity bit. Not surprisingly, simple is usually more clear. Imagine that. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when-less-is-more#comment-1739</link>
		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 06:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;You need as many typefaces as you need ties.&#8221; Actually that works pretty well for me...I just checked my closet and I own exactly four ties!

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Dunno if this is a recent glitch, but I&#8217;m not seeing this post or any of your other recent ones on your site itself, just in RSS&#8212;when I look at the URL for this post I see it&#8217;s in a directory called /comments rather than the directory called /journal, which is probably the explanation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You need as many typefaces as you need ties.&#8221; Actually that works pretty well for me&#8230;I just checked my closet and I own exactly four ties!</p>
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Dunno if this is a recent glitch, but I&#8217;m not seeing this post or any of your other recent ones on your site itself, just in RSS&#8212;when I look at the URL for this post I see it&#8217;s in a directory called /comments rather than the directory called /journal, which is probably the explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Boulton</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when-less-is-more#comment-1740</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Boulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 22:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;David&lt;/strong&gt;: Yes, some of these points are a litle utopian. We all know the pain of when a client thinks they&#8217;re the designer. I do like the idea of being paid for what we leave out, rather than what we put in. Maybe we could be even commissioned to produce nothing, but get paid well to do it.
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&lt;strong&gt;Jason&lt;/strong&gt;: I wrote a while ago about my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when_less_is_more/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;top five design books&lt;/a&gt;, in the comments you&#8217;ll see a whole list of other people&#8217;s favourites, many of which are about design in the past.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>David</strong>: Yes, some of these points are a litle utopian. We all know the pain of when a client thinks they&#8217;re the designer. I do like the idea of being paid for what we leave out, rather than what we put in. Maybe we could be even commissioned to produce nothing, but get paid well to do it.
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<strong>Jason</strong>: I wrote a while ago about my <a href="http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when_less_is_more/" rel="nofollow">top five design books</a>, in the comments you&#8217;ll see a whole list of other people&#8217;s favourites, many of which are about design in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when-less-is-more#comment-1741</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 22:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is a bit off-topic, so I apologize, but I was wondering what recommendations you would have for a fledgling designer looking for a history of design.&#160; Are there books or sites that chronicle the &#8220;classic and timeless&#8221; that you are particularly enamored of?
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Thanks!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bit off-topic, so I apologize, but I was wondering what recommendations you would have for a fledgling designer looking for a history of design.&nbsp; Are there books or sites that chronicle the &#8220;classic and timeless&#8221; that you are particularly enamored of?
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Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: David Hyde</title>
		<link>http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/when-less-is-more#comment-1742</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 20:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mark
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Well I&#8217;d certainly agree with those sentiments - as indeed would any self-respecting designer. It&#8217;s a pity though that sometimes the client get&#8217;s in the way of our better judgments - and every designer has that one client who just won&#8217;t listen to common sense. To illustrate, I&#8217;ve recently done a batch of 20 business cards as part of an organisation&#8217;s rebrand - and one card in particular had to be reprinted because the person concerned wasn&#8217;t satisfied and insisted instead upon having seven logos included on their&#8217;s. Seven logos on a business card - no arguments, no compromise. So sometimes you&#8217;re just obliged to settle for an easy life and make the world just that little bit ugglier.
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So top of my list of things to wish for is a LAW AGAINST LOGOS.
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I&#8217;ve long thought that designers ought to adopt some of the business acumen of farmers and promote the concept of &#8216;set aside&#8217;. So, just as farmers get EU subsidies for not farming their land, why don&#8217;t we collectively promote the concept that designers ought to be paid for what we leave out, not what we put in? A sort of &#8216;penny for every font we don&#8217;t use&#8217; policy.

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It would certainly make the world a more beautiful place. And put is in the same earnings league as accountants and lawyers to boot!
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David
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark
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<p>Well I&#8217;d certainly agree with those sentiments &#8211; as indeed would any self-respecting designer. It&#8217;s a pity though that sometimes the client get&#8217;s in the way of our better judgments &#8211; and every designer has that one client who just won&#8217;t listen to common sense. To illustrate, I&#8217;ve recently done a batch of 20 business cards as part of an organisation&#8217;s rebrand &#8211; and one card in particular had to be reprinted because the person concerned wasn&#8217;t satisfied and insisted instead upon having seven logos included on their&#8217;s. Seven logos on a business card &#8211; no arguments, no compromise. So sometimes you&#8217;re just obliged to settle for an easy life and make the world just that little bit ugglier.
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So top of my list of things to wish for is a LAW AGAINST LOGOS.
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I&#8217;ve long thought that designers ought to adopt some of the business acumen of farmers and promote the concept of &#8216;set aside&#8217;. So, just as farmers get EU subsidies for not farming their land, why don&#8217;t we collectively promote the concept that designers ought to be paid for what we leave out, not what we put in? A sort of &#8216;penny for every font we don&#8217;t use&#8217; policy.</p>
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It would certainly make the world a more beautiful place. And put is in the same earnings league as accountants and lawyers to boot!
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David</p>
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